Jason Hopper
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 9, 2019 15:23:14 GMT -5
I agree with you as well Athena!!! 
I love your hat by the way!!!
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Post by Athena (In Memory) on May 10, 2019 1:13:41 GMT -5
Thank you, Jason.
I saw an interview with Maximum Security's owner. He filed a protest with the state's racing board. He said the Churchill Downs' stewards would not meet with him after the race when he asked them and they will not release the films of the race they watched.
He also said Maximum Security will NOT run in the Preakness. Since he would have no chance of winning a Triple Crown there was no need to subject him to race in 2 weeks' time.
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 10, 2019 6:13:51 GMT -5
Country House isn't going to be in The Preakness either. He's acting like he's sick, so he's out. No triple crown chance. I hope War of Will wins. I think he'll be the favorite.
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Post by Ætheling on May 10, 2019 10:08:38 GMT -5
 oh, my, so much drama in these horse races.
We don't get NBC Sports Channel anymore, so we can't watch the Kentucky Oaks anymore. We can watch only those races on NBC itself.
But I just went and watched the Oaks online.
Oh, my, that horse just got squeezed out. Praise the Lord she and her jockey are OK!
So what is the reason that those horses veering was not against the rules, but Maximum Security veering was against the rules?
Is it because, when horses first come out of the gate, it is allowed and OK?
I hadn't heard about the Santa Anita horses either. Oh my!
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 10, 2019 12:14:45 GMT -5
Ætheling the rule calls for disqualification if "a leading horse or any other horse in a race swerves or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey." I just looked it up.
Horses tend to veer center at the start of a race a lot, I've noticed. I don't know if there's a rule allowing proper space to run or not, but it's common sense that you must allow space, or at least I'd think it would be! As for the horse that fell in The Oaks, I read that the horse she clipped heels with, Jaywalk, actually was disqualified from 6th (I think) to 13th later, so there was a disqualification in BOTH big races. It makes me mad that more people aren't talking about that. What happened in The Kentucky Oaks was actually worse in my opinion because a horse & her jockey actually went down in that one. They are both lucky as that was a bad fall! I feel that should be getting ALOT more attention that it got!
Horse racing is just off-course now for some reason. I'd still love to know why 23 horses all died at the same track within just a few short months! It's like Athena said, something is funny about all this. |
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Post by Ætheling on May 10, 2019 12:31:41 GMT -5
oh, so the horse Jaywalk was bumped down from 6th to 13th. But like you said, no one is mentioning that, even though the other horse and rider went down.
I looked up Santa Anita. I'm confused.
Do the horses die from both injuries on the track, and also from drugs?
Because they mention injuries, but yet they want to ban certain drugs that are now permissible?
Or is it that horses on those drugs are more likely to stumble and fall?
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 10, 2019 13:13:47 GMT -5
Since the end of December 2018, 23 thoroughbreds have died — mostly due to injuries from racing or training.
In mid-March, U.S. lawmakers introduced a bill aimed at improving horse-racing safety by requiring a uniform anti-doping and medication control program. Medicating thoroughbreds has been a long-running controversy in the U.S. — some medications mask symptoms which critics say can lead to catastrophic horse injuries. Meanwhile, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office has assigned investigators to work with the California Horse Racing Board to try to figure what's caused the Santa Anita deaths.
So to answer those questions more clearly, no it's not the drugs themselves that kill the horses, it's the fact that they mask symptoms like I said above. Therefore, yes, that makes the horse more likely to suffer a breakdown. In my opinion, if the horse needs drugs to race, then he/she probably shouldn't be racing. If you were already injured or if you were just sore for whatever reason & you were forced to race & also got whipped while racing to force you to run faster, I'm sure you can see how horrible this could turn out when you think about it. As for why the Kentucky Oaks manner isn't getting more attention, I can't answer that one. Which brings me to....
Whipping, that's another big controversy in horse racing. The whole should the whip be banned manner has been going on for a while as well. Many feel that a horse being whipped can cause them to breakdown. Also some jockeys just simply go overboard with it & have actually injured the horse. I say just let them run their race. Whomever crossed the finish line first wins.
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Post by Ætheling on May 11, 2019 15:50:06 GMT -5
Twinkle, thank you! I think I understand it now. They definitely need to look into those deaths. And how the rules and regulations are affecting the horses and the racing.  Thank you for taking the time to explain it so clearly. Oh, one other question. Are those drugs allowed at Santa Anita, but not other race tracks? Or are there horse deaths at other race tracks, just not as many as at Santa Anita? |
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Jason Hopper
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 11, 2019 16:35:31 GMT -5
I live about five miles from Santa Anita, and dad has been there many times (but without me. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad)... Anyway, no one knows why these horses are dying. It has nothing to do with being in a race. The ground and relatively new track has been tested and both seemed to come pot OK, so they just do not know why all of the deaths. They closed the track down for a couple of weeks but could find nothing, so the track is trying its best.
Thanks for that additional info Athena ( I still LOVE your hat), since I had not heard about the stewards refusal to do much more than make a (in my mind) still-questionable decision.
OK, who is ready for more catpagne and guppies?
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Jason Hopper
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 11, 2019 16:40:09 GMT -5
Oh Aetheling, I am not an expert, but I am pretty sure that certain drugs are allowed at most (NOT ALL) tracks, but the public must be told (via the program and/or Daily Racing Sheet) that the horse is using them. These are drugs to stop bleeding (some horses bleed when running otherwise) for example and are not considered dangerous to the health of the horse. Certainly drugs are not suspected as the cause of the deaths in Santa Anita.
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Jason Hopper
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 11, 2019 16:43:27 GMT -5
One last thing: It is pretty hard to stop horses veering coming out of the gate. Imagine being locked up and all of a sudden you gain your freedom but suddenly realize you have escaping buddies on all sides of you. I think I would veer if I were a horse. Heck, I'd veer being a feline! 
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Post by Ætheling on May 11, 2019 17:01:38 GMT -5
Yes, I imagine so Athena, it is strange that they would not release those videos for Maximum Security to view. Or even meet with his humans. Jason, Twinkle, Athena, everycat, the whole Santa Anita thing sounds like something that should be in a Dick Francis novel! |
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 12, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -5
Ætheling to answer your question, I don't recall having ever seen any racetrack race horses that weren't on some kind of drug. Most owners/trainers use at least one drug. There have been a few horses that weren't on any like Runhappy. That is typically up to the horses connections. Some tracks though have made certain drugs illegal (at least in the past). Dancer's Image won the 1968 Kentucky Derby, but was later disqualified. I'm copying this from his Wikipedia page:
Dancer's Image was plagued by sore ankles during his career. On the Sunday prior to the 1968 Kentucky Derby, his handlers had a veterinarian give him a dose of phenylbutazone, a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) commonly used to relieve inflammation of the joints. At the time, it was illegal for phenylbutazone to be in a horse's system on race day at Churchill Downs; however, Dancer's Image's veterinarian and handlers believed the medication would clear his system in time for the Derby.
On Saturday, May 4, Dancer's Image won the Kentucky Derby, but was disqualified after traces of phenylbutazone were discovered in the mandatory post-race urinalysis. The disqualification was announced on Tuesday, May 7, with second-place finisher Forward Pass declared the winner and Dancer's Image moved to last. The controversy filled the sporting news of media outlets in North America and was a cover story for Sports Illustrated, which referred to it as "the year's major sports story".
Legalized in 1974 by the Kentucky Racing Commission, phenylbutazone was so commonly used by 1986 that thirteen of the sixteen entrants in that year's Kentucky Derby were running on the medication.
Horses do die at all of the tracks. I've watched horse racing since I was a baby. I was born in July 1977. I have never heard of 23 horses dying at the same track in such a short length of time though, ever. Nobody seems to know why yet.
Well, neither Maximum Security nor County House will be in the Preakness or The Belmont, I just read. There's going to be many "new shooters" as I like to call them in the Preakness. That just simply means that they did not run in the Kentucky Derby. There will be "new shooters" in The Belmont too that either didn't run either of the first two or skipped The Preakness to be fresher for The Belmont. There always is. I feel that always making it more interesting & challenging for the horses who run in all three.
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 12, 2019 13:28:58 GMT -5
It does sound like a Dick Francis novel AEtheling!
23 horses is indeed (and thankfully) super rare Twinkle!!! 
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 13, 2019 18:24:57 GMT -5
This is ABSURD. The jockey got his horse back as soon as humanly possible! (I am not saying we felines could not have done a better job.)
Maximum Security's jockey suspended after Kentucky Derby disqualification
Stewards for the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission announced in a statement Monday that Luis Saez, Maximum Security’s jockey, is suspended 15 days for interfering with riders during the 145th running of the Kentucky Derby.
Maximum Security crossed the finish line first but was later disqualified after a post-race review, a first for the Kentucky Derby. Country Horse was named the winner while Maximum Security was officially placed 17th.
Stewards suspend Saez for interference
The stewards met with those involved Friday. Saez and his lawyers provided a video alleging War of Will and his jockey, Tyler Gaffalione, were the ones to interfere. The video highlights language used by announcers during the race and the “domino effect” caused by War of Will that also resulted in the horse scraping against Maximum Security’s hooves. War of Will’s trainer Mark Casse compared Saez to a “drunk driver” earlier in the week.
The KHRC suspended Saez for “failure to control his mount and make the proper effort to maintain a straight course thereby causing interference with several rivals that resulted in the disqualification of his mount.”
No other jockeys will be punished, per the statement. Saez will be suspended beginning May 23. It runs through June 14.
The race days are May 23-27, May 30-31, June 1-2, June 6-9 and June 13-14.
Saez plans to appeal
Attorneys for Saez intend to appeal the suspension, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. It can be appealed to the commission and the courts, unlike the decision to disqualify a horse.
Karen Murphy, an attorney for Maximum Security owners Gary and Mary West, told the Courier-Journal that Saez “didn’t do anything wrong.”
The owners, as of late last week, were still evaluating their legal options. They filed an appeal the Monday after the race but it was quickly denied by the KHRC.
Saez, 26, is a native of Panama. He has won several races at Belmont Park in New York since the derby, per the Courier-Journal, including a first-place spot at the Grade 3 Peter Pan Stakes over the weekend.
The Preakness Stakes, the second jewel of the Triple Crown, is Saturday. Maximum Security will not race due to health reasons. The suspension does not begin until late next week, opening the door for Saez to ride a different horse.
The Belmont Stakes is June 8, which falls in the middle of his suspension.
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had a real problem with trying to get back in. So, I just been coming more often than before. I want to stay logged in so, when I close my laptop for the day or evening, I will be back in without interference thank U
it'll take me some time to get back to what I enjoy.