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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 4, 2019 21:21:52 GMT -5
I do mostly certainly without a doubt feel that Maximum Security interfered with War of Will, Long Range Toddy & maybe a few more. He actually HELPED Country House win by jamming up the horses close to him. Why Country House's connections would file an objection is beyond me. This video I'm about to put here shows an up close view of just how much he interfered with War of Will. I do think he should have been disqualified if War of Will, Long Range Toddy or any other horses who he jammed, if their connections had filed the complaint especially. I also do feel that he should have been disqualified down to maybe 3rd or 4th regardless of who complained, but not all the way down the board. Sorry, it doesn't seem that any furs here agree, but that's how I see it. Maximum Security should have been disqualified, but not all the way down the board. He could have gotten War of Will, his jockey, plus several others hurt or killed veering out in front of them like he did. I do pretty much agree with the decision, but not in the way it was done.
Well, it doesn't look like the video worked right. I'm on the home computer & it's giving me problems with loading videos.
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 5, 2019 10:02:17 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start a war, but this is what I was trying to show everyfur in the video. Look how close War of Will came to getting hurt or killed & taking most of the field with him. This is stupid, dangerous racing on behalf of Maximum Security & do I feel that he 100% should have been disqualified. The jockey perhaps needs to be fined & suspended as well. If the horse reacted to the crowd & veered over, then plug up his ears or shelf him until he matures. I don't know exactly whose fault this is, but something should be done. This is unacceptable racing!
 
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 5, 2019 15:45:54 GMT -5
...and once the idiot stewards declare the race "official" (something they did not until after their absurd decision), that it's it. The results can never be changed, no matter how stupid!!!
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 5, 2019 15:50:35 GMT -5
Twinkle, all indications are that the noise of the crowd as they rounded that turn spooked Maximum Security who then veers off momentarily striking War of Will (who did NOT file a complaint), but his (Maximum security's) jockey gets him back on course immediately.
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 6, 2019 6:52:05 GMT -5
I agree with that Jason now that I've watched it about 25 times. I don't think the jockey had anything to do with it. Perhaps, yes, the noise did spook Maximum Security & he veered off course because of that. Still, he almost took out a least half the field. There's no way he should have kept the win & he didn't. The stewards made the right call. From now on he needs to race with ear muffs like Gate Dancer used to have or be shelved until he can mature. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I have no hard feelings towards anyfur here because we are all entitled to our opinion & we all have freedom of speech as long as we use it properly. I do think County House's connections filing an objection was pure crap. That part we are all in agreement over. To disqualify him over an objection from the Country House camp was BS! Yeah, that we all agree on. I still think what happened was in order, just not in the BS manner in which it was done. This & all those poor horses dying at Santa Anita should show that horse racing seriously needs reforming, I'm just not sure exactly how. This is quite a black mark on the sport. 50 years from now, people will still be talking about all this. Anyhow, here's a picture of Gate Dancer with his ear muffs. They should try them on Maximum Security. I think they are cute & they really make the horse stand out. You couldn't miss him with these on! I had forgotten that his whole face was covered with this on until I looked up Gate Dancer. I always loved him, loved his name & thought this was a different, cute look. Of course, he's the one on the outside. 
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Post by Ætheling on May 6, 2019 10:39:41 GMT -5
I don't follow horse racing, so I don't have an opinion on whether the decision was right or wrong.
It's a shame it wasn't a clean win/loss from the beginning, without any horse veering.
I didn't know about ear muffs, they are a good idea 
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 6, 2019 14:24:51 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: Wow, it turns out that the connections of Long Range Toddy, who WAS impeded by what happened, filed an objection as well. Why in the world didn't they tell us that on the air? In my opinion that makes a HUGE difference. So was he disqualified over County House's connections objection (which were crap), Long Range Toddy's (which was legit in my book) or both? If they would have just told us that.... a lot of people, my Mommy included, got into arguments with people over this. This could have saved a lot of hurt feelings. I say this because I feel the second objection was totally legit. NOW I think this adds more legitimacy to the stewards decision. It may not change most people's minds, but at least now I feel that it was a more fair DQ. The writer for Bloodhorse wrote an article that's published on their website entitled: Kentucky Derby Opinion: Right Call, Wrong Process
I totally agree with that article. I just hope that something positive comes from all this. Like I said earlier, I really think horse racing needs to be reformed. Hopefully this negative, shocking Kentucky Derby, plus all those horrible deaths at Santa Anita will be the catalyst for reform. I don't want what happened to stay a negative. I don't want all this to be in vain. It is just such a shame that this happened.
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 6, 2019 16:48:05 GMT -5
It is hard to disagree with anything you meowed Twinkle!
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 6, 2019 16:49:42 GMT -5
OK, now who wants a glass of catpagne and some of my french-fried guppies?
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 6, 2019 16:51:37 GMT -5
P. S. Did Long Range Toddy (whoever named him seems already questionable) file their complaint on Saturday or later? That makes a BIG difference to me!
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 7, 2019 6:39:18 GMT -5
Jason, the complaint from the Long Range Toddy connections was filed Saturday along with the one from County House's connections. Like I said, why they didn't say that on air, I don't know. It was reported online that they filed the complaints at pretty much the same time, but only County House was mentioned as filing a complaint. That's one reason why it took so long to decide, because the stewards were viewing the footage based on 2 separate objections. Long Range Toddy was named after some family member of the owner that was considered a great shot at long range hunting. In that article I mentioned earlier on Bloodhorse website, they also wondered why in the world we weren't told about that second objection. They said that we should have been told & rules need to be changed to inform everyone of all objections, not just the first one. Yes, I'll take some catpagne & guppies! This below also explains things a lot better: Jockey Flavien Pratt, aboard Country House, and Jon Court, veteran jockey of Long Range Toddy, claimed foul over Maximum Security and jockey Luis Saez.
The interaction occurred near the quarter pole, with a quarter-mile to go, as the lead horses reach the front straightaway. War of Will jockey Tyler Gaffalione and Maximum Security appeared to make the most contact coming out of the third turn.
Chief race steward Barbara Borden made a statement afterward, but was not made available for questions from the media.
"The riders of the 18 [Long Range Toddy] and 20 [Country House] horses in the Kentucky Derby lodged objections against the 7 [Maximum Security] horse, the winner, due to interference turning for home, leaving the 1/4 pole," Borden said. "We had a lengthy review of the race. We interviewed affected riders. We determined that the 7 horse drifted out and impacted the progress of No. 1 [War of Will], in turn, interfering with the 18 and 21 [Bodexpress]. Those horses were all affected, we thought, by the interference. Therefore, we unanimously determined to disqualify No. 7 and place him behind the 18, the 18 being the lowest-placed horse that he bothered, which is our typical procedure."
Court confirmed Long Range Toddy was bothered by the action via text message.
"We were in perfect position early on and comfortable most of the race," Court said. "At the quarter pole inside, [Maximum Security] came abruptly out turning my horse sideways and eliminated my momentum and costing me any valuable opportunity to finish at best.”
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Post by Ætheling on May 7, 2019 12:15:19 GMT -5
oh, my!
But that catpagne and french-fried guppies will hit the spot, Jason!
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Post by Jason Hopper on May 8, 2019 15:16:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Twinkle! Yeah, that would have been nice to know on Saturday when they made County House to look like the spoilsport. Oh well...
refills AEtheling's and Twinkle's catpagne glasses and adds some more guppies to their plates...
eats a guppy himself...
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Post by Athena (In Memory) on May 8, 2019 21:49:13 GMT -5
I need a guppy --- thanks, Jason.
1) I find it quite odd that the horse who was really squeezed (War of Will) didn't file a complaint. 2) Country House's people didn't have to jump up and down and look so happy when the announcement was made that their horse was declared the winner. I know I wouldn't have been ecstatic because my horse didn't "win", he was placed there. 3) This whole situation seems "funny" -- not quite right. I've never heard of a jockey whose horse wasn't interfered with register a complaint, especially one who finished in the money. This whole incident is another "black eye" for horse racing.
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Post by Twinkle (My Sweet Angel) on May 9, 2019 12:16:40 GMT -5
I agree with you Athena. Why War of Will's connections didn't complain, I'll never understand. Yes, I consider this a huge black mark on the sport as well as the Kentucky Derby race. Something has been off about horse racing for a while in my opinion. Why did all those horses at Santa Anita die? What's going on there? Look at what happened in the Kentucky Oaks. The horses veered into the middle of the track & squeezed out Positive Spirit right out of the gate. She & her jockey went down hard. Thankfully they popped right back up. I think she did have some slight soft tissue damage in one of her legs, but she was basically ok. If you furs didn't see that race, you should watch it.
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